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Wed, Mar. 5th, 2008 10:46 am
[POLL] Star Trek Marathon

For the geeks among my friends list, a question: If you had to create a Star Trek marathon (26 episodes), what would you show? Drawing from The Original Series, The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager, and Enterprise, or the movies (counting as 2 episodes each), what would you show? Would it differ if you intended to create a introduction to Star Trek versus a marathon for existing fans?


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witeoutking
witeoutking
Rick
Wed, Mar. 5th, 2008 03:58 pm (UTC)

I know an unfortunately-small amount of Trek, so I can't say much more than that #26 absolutely must be "All Good Things..."


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witeoutking
witeoutking
Rick
Wed, Mar. 5th, 2008 03:59 pm (UTC)

And of course, after I post that, I see that you're including the more recent stuff.

In that case, replace "#26" with "somewhere in the list"


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etherial
etherial
Gregory Pettigrew
Wed, Mar. 5th, 2008 04:04 pm (UTC)

All Good Things and Endgame (TNG and VOY's endings, respectively) are both very good episodes, though they're both 2-parters, so they may take up too much real estate to both be shown.


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etherial
etherial
Gregory Pettigrew
Wed, Mar. 5th, 2008 03:59 pm (UTC)

Really hard to say, for several reasons, mostly the exact problem you mention above. Episodes we remember as being good are very different from those that actually are good. Voyager and DS9 probably had most of the best individual episodes, but had a lot of discongruous chaff. The Year of Hell, for example, is a pretty good Voyager 2-parter, as long as it's taken out of the context of the show. Put it in its place, and it's the result of ignoring half a dozen dire warning messages from the future.


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bronzite
bronzite
Robert Bronzite
Wed, Mar. 5th, 2008 05:00 pm (UTC)

Funny, I always though most of the dramatic weight of Year of Hell was precisely because it was foreshadowed so much during the show, and it was very exciting when the event we knew was coming finally was an episode. That said, its also very good taken by itself.


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etherial
etherial
Gregory Pettigrew
Wed, Mar. 5th, 2008 06:31 pm (UTC)

See, I was expecting it to happen over several episodes, perhaps even, an entire year. It seemed like a lot of work building up towards an episode that writes itself out of existence.


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londo
londo
A fool who should know better
Wed, Mar. 5th, 2008 04:36 pm (UTC)

I'm not really a big enough Star Trek fan to be able to name that many episodes I'd really want to watch off the top of my head.

That said, I can't imagine City on the Edge of Forever not making the cut, and I can't imagine Best of Both Worlds not being in there, preferably with an actual break between the two halves.


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bronzite
bronzite
Robert Bronzite
Wed, Mar. 5th, 2008 04:54 pm (UTC)

I would agree -- City on the Edge of Forever and Best of Both Worlds are arguably some of the best television Star Trek ever produced.


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londo
londo
A fool who should know better
Wed, Mar. 5th, 2008 04:57 pm (UTC)

Oh, and I wouldn't object to that episode where Sisko punches Q in the face.

Or maybe just that scene and not even the whole episode, I don't remember the rest of it very well.


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bronzite
bronzite
Robert Bronzite
Wed, Mar. 5th, 2008 05:02 pm (UTC)

Q-Less, seventh DS9 episode. Also good if you happen to be a Vash fan.

Of course, that raises the question of how screen time do you give John de Lancie?


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londo
londo
A fool who should know better
Wed, Mar. 5th, 2008 06:55 pm (UTC)

He might get in for that episode, and might get in for the open/close of TNG. If I only had one Q episode, it would probably be the one where he loses his powers and Guinan stabs him with a forky thing.

But ultimately, if every episode someone's in is gold, fuck it - go for it.

This could result in Mrs. Troi being half the marathon, though.


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petercooperjr
petercooperjr
Peter Cooper Jr.
Wed, Mar. 5th, 2008 04:50 pm (UTC)

That's a very tough question. It would definitely need to be different based on the target audience. Loyal fans already have the context of the characters and setting, while newcomers would need to have some of that more established, and it'd be hard to establish that context among 5 quite different shows. For instance, Relics is a favorite to fans since Scotty's in it, but I don't think that the episode itself represents part of the "best of Trek" (as well as having some plot holes you could drive a starship through).

The audience would also determine whether you picked episodes that were more action-based (BoBW, most of the movies) versus character-based (The Offspring, I, Borg, The Inner Light).

I think you really have to define your goals better to condense 723 options down to 26.


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bronzite
bronzite
Robert Bronzite
Wed, Mar. 5th, 2008 04:58 pm (UTC)

Feel free to make any assumptions you think would be helpful. Defining goals is definitely important. For instance, "Darmok" was a great episode and had a significant cultural impact within the Star Trek community, but not so much at large.


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etherial
etherial
Gregory Pettigrew
Wed, Mar. 5th, 2008 07:08 pm (UTC)

Either way, "Darmok" is really good Science Fiction.


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pezzonovante
pezzonovante
pezzonovante
Wed, Mar. 5th, 2008 09:01 pm (UTC)

It would heavily depend on whether this was for longtime fans or to serve as an intro for those who don't know much of Star Trek. Any marathon for long-time fans I would have to set up as thematic, like your idea for showing all the pre-First Contact episodes in time order, or like the WLVI TNG Klingon Marathon that it did years back.

That being said, here's what I would probably do for a newbie marathon.

(TOS)
1. The Menagerie
2. " "
3. The Corbomite Maneuver
4. Arena
5. Space Seed
6. City on the Edge of Forever
7. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
8. " " " " " " "
9. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
10. " " " " " "
(TNG)
11. Encounter at Far Point
12. " " " "
13. Q Who
14. Best of Both Worlds
15. " " " "
16. All Good Things
17. " " "
(VOY)
18. Caretaker
19. "
20. Scorpion
21. "
22. Endgame
23. "
(DS9)
24. Trials and Tribble-ations.

I'm too unfamiliar with DS9 to suggest the important episodes apart from the idea that Trials & Tribble-ations is necessary since it's DS9 superimposed on TOS, and refuse to acknowledge Enterprise exists.


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bronzite
bronzite
Robert Bronzite
Wed, Mar. 5th, 2008 09:09 pm (UTC)

Its a pity, because after watching it, Enterprise Season 4 is really, really good. Like, Wow! good. Unfortunately the entire season is sets of 3 episode arcs, which don't lend well to the time constraints of a Marathon.


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pezzonovante
pezzonovante
pezzonovante
Wed, Mar. 5th, 2008 09:19 pm (UTC)

Yeah. The time constraints on this are painful.

I wanted to introduce one episode to explain some major part of a significant character's backstory, like Datalore to explain Data or Genesis to explain how Barclay is the unluckiest man in Trek or Sins of the Father to get into the Khittimer Massacre story. A shorter marathon for each series (say, 9 or 10 hours per series) would be ideal.


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petercooperjr
petercooperjr
Peter Cooper Jr.
Wed, Mar. 5th, 2008 09:53 pm (UTC)

If you're going with thematic groupings, one may want to look at the Fan Collectives that Paramount has put out as a basis.


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moozeale
moozeale
Julia
Thu, Mar. 6th, 2008 12:37 am (UTC)

I agree, but why on earth is Trials and Trbibble-ations on your list and not Trouble with Tribbles? Go for the original! I absolutely think you nailed the best movies and the best TNG episodes are also on your list.


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